Dark Knight was a smash hit for it’s fame, explosions, and chase scenes, but what really had me on the edge of my seat was perhaps the most riveting villain I had ever met—The Joker. The Joker is a mob-backed terrorist with suicidal tendencies and a textbook sociopath. He is not reasonable, he’s not afraid of anything, and the last thing he cares about in the world is himself. As Alfred explained to Bruce, “Some men just want to watch the world burn”. Given the tortured nature of our subject, I felt it fitting to call upon Dr. Sigmund Freud to be our Virgil on the journey into downward spiral that is the personality of this criminal mastermind.

Freud is the father of the psychoanalytic theory. He suggests that childhood experiences shape our personalities. To explore his theory, a wise man once told me that there are Four Questions that every good student of psychology will ask about a personality theory. The first question regards the structure of the theory. Freud developed a topographical model to explain personality with three separate parts that interact with one another; the id, the ego, and the superego. The id is carnal in nature and embodies our natural drives. They are like our instincts in that we do not consciously think about them. The superego is like our conscious; we internalize social norms and values and our superego is the partially conscious part of our mind that monitors our thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. The ego is our mostly conscious awareness that is in the middle of a tug of war between the id and the superego.

The second question asks for the motivation in his theory. Freud introduces the pleasure principle; a hedonistic notion that we are motivated to seek pleasure and avoid pain. At the root of the id is a primitive energy to seek pleasure (usually of a sexual nature) called the libido. However, lest we become animals, we also have a counterweight in the superego. The superego, according to Freud, has a paternal authority that brings up feelings of guilt and a sensitivity toward consequences. The motivation to fulfill our wishes and biological drives is in a constant struggle with our nagging superego. A healthy person is able to navigate through this intrapsychic conflict with a healthy personality.
This brings us to the third question we ask of Freud; can the structure of one’s personality change over time? As stated above, Freud believed that childhood experiences with these conflicts mold the personality. Personality development is to be seen as psychosexual stages. Each stage presents the crossroads of a biological drive (id) and the learning of opposing social norms (superego). To successfully continue on to the next level one must learn to problem solve and cope with these frustrations in a healthy manner. This begins with the child’s first psychosexual conflict in the oral stage. Being the most primitive part of our personality, the id leads the child to live by the pleasure principle and demands to be fed whenever hungry. The next stage considers the child’s intrapsychic conflict with potty training in the anal stage. A child must then overcome his or her desire to sexually connect with the parent of the opposite sex in the phallic stage. The latent stage is a time of ‘latent’, or non-presenting, sexuality followed by the adult genital phase and accompanying obsession with the genitals. Our personality develops as we discover coping skills at each frustrating level. Along the way one may be frustrated and develop a fixation and neurosis while a healthy person will successfully negotiate between the pull of the id and superego.
The last question asks for an explanation of the differences between individuals according to the theory. Freud would argue that different people develop in differing environments and had different childhood experiences. An adult that was not breastfed as an infant may very well develop an oral fixation due to the unsatisfied desire. When a girl discovers that she is missing a penis, Freud states that she may become neurotic, develop a masculinity complex, or develop normally. This implies that Freud acknowledged that different people have different levels of resiliency given their circumstances.
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I can only imagine if the Joker were to lie on Dr. Freud’s couch. The Joker is a pathological liar, with reactive attachment issues, scars he credits to either childhood abuse or self-mutilation (he contradicts himself in the movie) and presents with suicidal ideation. Let’s interpret the Joker’s personality under Freud’s psychoanalytic microscope. First we look at the structure of the Joker’s id, ego, and superego. Being a sociopath, he presents with a surgically precise id. He can masterfully calculate how he can steal the most money, kill the most people, and as he explains to the bed-ridden Harvey Dent, how he can “introduce [the most] chaos”. He is able to temporarily delay fulfilling the desire to kill in order to cause more anxiety in others and achieve an almost orgasmic thrill in seeing innocent people kill each other. However, I take a step backward to point out that his id is actually damaged. Thanatos is the “death instinct” that pulls us toward death while our Eros motivates us to preserve our lives. The Joker, I submit, has a very dimly lit Eros. As Batman’s motorcycle comes screaming towards him, the Joker actually walks towards him muttering things like “hit me!!” and “Do it! I want you to do it!”. Clearly self-preservation is one biological need the Joker lacks. But why? We may gain some insight by looking at the absence of his superego. Through out the movie he openly mocks society as phony and hypocritical. Sure, they’re all civilized when things go “according to plan”, says the Joker, but as soon as things go wrong, everyone panics and shows who they really are. Rules are arbitrary false values and principles and therefore have no hold on the Joker. Twice in the movie the Joker explains how he got his scars. In one account he growls that his father was an abusive drunk that asked his son “why so serious?” and proceeded to cut the Joker’s face. He said that he hated his father. When Freud says that the superego is based on the authority of the father, the Joker’s reactive attachment to his father would explain why he did not internalize societal norms. It seems as though from an early age the Joker let his id control his personality and with a broken ego he experiences a certain detachment from reality.

The second question is of motivation. What would motivate someone to kill innocent people without thinking twice? As Alfred explained to a confused Bruce Wayne, “some men just like to watch the world burn”. After some reflection, I submit that the Joker is out to prove a point. Throughout the movie he has an unquenchable contempt for social structure and norms as was mentioned above. After Batman leaves the Joker in an interrogation room with a police officer, the Joker enrages the guard by saying that when you push people to the brink and they face death, then you see who they really are. At that point, according to the Joker, they drop their phony façade and behave like the chaotic, selfish animals that we all are. I submit that his motivation is to conduct social experiments to prove himself correct- that at the core people are controlled by their Eros (while he is only controlled by his own delusion of grandiosity). He has two men fight to the death with one sharp stick between them. He gives two boatloads of people the detonator to bombs on the other ship. He tells Batman that if he [Batman] wants to catch him [the Joker], that he’s going to have to break his One Rule that was brought up at the end of the first movie—to not kill. In addition, Freud may also venture to explore other defense mechanisms such as possible projection of the Joker’s bubbling chaotic selfishness onto all men and women. He may also explore possible displacement of the Joker’s hatred of his own father onto all forms of authority.
The third question is about how the personality changes over time. Little is known about the Joker’s past. If Freud were to watch Dark Knight, I could see him pointing out the Joker’s constant twitching and licking of his lips as possible evidence of an oral fixation and would want to ask the Joker about his relationship with his mother. If we go ahead and believe that the Joker really did have and hate his abusive alcoholic father, then we would explore the intrapsychic conflict between the Joker and his father and as a result, the underdevelopment of a superego. In the second narration of the origins of his scars, the Joker tells Rachel that he once had a wife that was cut up by mobsters and that in an effort to make her feel better, he carves his own face and was devastated when she leaves him. If we believe this version of the story, then his anger from his father (who in this case was not the one who cut up his face, but perhaps still an abusive drunk) is compounded when he is rejected by his wife. Perhaps this was a cathartic experience that releases previously repressed hatred and it comes spilling out as he seeks revenge on mankind. With the death of Ledger, we’ll never know.

The fourth question asks why there are differences between the Joker and the rest of us. As was just discussed, the Joker had traumatic conflicts that he was unable to resolve in a health manner. Thus he developed neurosis and did not develop a superego… He became the psychopathic, mass murdering monster we have all come to love.
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I love the description of how to deal with someone who simply relishes chaos and anarchy, how Alfred had to digress to the same level to stop the jewel thief…
“…We burned down the forest”
The question it brings up to me: is that the only way to combat something like this? It just seems too much like two wrongs making a right
That’s a very good question Jozzel. my response to that is….yes it is the way to combat it, becaus(many will disagree) sometimes even though hard choices have to be made, it seemed like Alfred and his collegues chose the lesser of two evils. let the theif run riot and cause harm and suffering to people, while they painstakingly searched through the forest….or burn it down and apprehend him as soon as possible. Thats my line of thinking anyway
Not to mention, how he talks about the knives i mean, He says something like “Have you ever wondered why I don’t use guns?”-to the cop to get him mad The cop says something and the joker responds ” Because when your stabbing someone and they are on the brink of death they show who they really are.” Well something like that. D:
Hey, it seems that you’ve read a lot about psychology yourself. Maybe you could answer this one:
Is it possible to be a psychopath due to a genetic disorder, not because of traumatic childhood memories? Might someone become a mass murderer without eg. shitty, abusive parents?
Psychopath – a person who can’t feel fear, doesn’t feel bad about anything, thinks himself above everyone else…
Yes, it is possible for someone to be a murderer without shitty parents. Jefferey Dhamer was a sociopath who grew up with loving parents. He was preoccupied with his own personal demons though, and his insecurities of his homosexual demeanor eventually helped aide in his serial killing future. Personal demons can lead to self destruction, even though all the love, and nuturing is present. Society does play a huge role in one’s outcome though. Dhamer was intelligent, had a good family, but was a loner, and insecure, and had issues with abandonement, which led to the reason why he would zombify his victims, to keep them around. In a sense, although not obvious, one could say that his parents did show a form of neglect for not noticing his homosexual tendencies, but again, all of this had to do with his personal demons.
Now I’m going to going to contradict myself to make a point. Yes, again, one can grow up to have issues and start killing even though they came from a loving home. But the personal issues inside that weren’t getting noticed by others could also lead to negative outcomes. Negelct is a form of abuse, and most of the time the killers believe there was a form of neglect somewhere in their lives which caused them to act out. It really depends on how the murderer sees it. In the end, the belief of who is to blame, whether it be the parents, of the persons lack of morality, it is all an opinion. Hope this helped XD!
Hello Anonymous, I appreciate your question. First of all, by no means am I an expert, but I can take a crack at it.
1) Can someone go on a killing spree because of their genes? Doesn’t make sense to me. However, can you be “born with it”, or born without a conscious (as it were)? That’s a very good question that I have discussed with colleagues. There’s a book out called The Sociopath Next Door that would suggest that you can be born with it. According to medical criteria (the fallible DSM-IV) the symptoms have to be present since at least adolescence (before 15 years of age) which may suggest genes may play a part (though it could be childhood environmental factors- the nature v nurture debate rages on!). the DSM-IV page 704 suggests biology may play a role pointing to the fact that biological relatives, especially first-degree relatives are at higher risk… this tells us nothing. Saying it’s “biological” still allows for nature and/or nurture.
So I don’t know: maybe.
Sorry
ITS NOT THAT WE WANT TO SEE THE WORLD BURN….WE ARE ALL ANIMALS AND WE STILL HAVE THAT PRIMAL INSTINCT IN US……WE NEED CHAOS IN SOCIETY WITHOUT IT WELL THE WORLD WOULD BE LAME AND EVERYONE WOULD BE THE SAME……I SEE IT THIS WAY WITHOUT HATE WE DONT HAVE LOVE EVERYTHING HAS SOMETHING TO CANCLE IT OUT…..I HONESTLY WANT TO KNOW HOW THE MIND REALLY WORKS IS THEIR ANY SUGGESTIONS LIKE BOOKS OR SOMEHING????????
Hello RIP HL, I agree with you that there is a balance/opposition to all things. As for learning how the mind works, there;s a plethora of material out there, but before you look for books, I’d say you have to learn about philosophy a bit. What I mean is that you need to see where different theories come from and decide what it is you believe. Ex: behaviorists believe that we (humans) mechanically react to stimulus in the world around us. Other theorists believe that we have something called agency, or the ability to decide how we react . You have to start out with an idea of whether humans are inherently good or bad, what is the point of life (is it to be good and earn post-mortal rewards, or is this life all there is and we should maximize pleasure?), do we have free will, and what are the things we should do in order to be happy. Is happiness merely the absence of pain and suffering? Or is true happiness our personal growth toward our divine potential in the face of pain and suffering?
Anyway, so if you start kinda with philosophy then you’ll hear some theories that interest you, and you can look up that theorist and what he/she has to say on the subject of the mind. In my essay, I delineate Freud’s view on the mind, I would recommend you look up other personality theories on Wikipedia (or something) and go from there.
You do make some good points, however you seem to be one of those individuals that think, for whatever reason, that you are entitled to your opinion on other’s accomplishments. I believe this to be true for multiple reasons, first your lack of recognition on events that occurred in TDK (The Dark Knight). The Joker clearly explains that his ex-wife “gambles and gets in deep with the sharks.” He then proceeds to inform Rachael that that’s how his ex-lover obtained her facial scars. Secondly, have you ever looked just a little bit deeper into the film? You seem, I’m not saying this to be true, but you seem, by the evidence that is given to me, like you are fixated on social problems that stem into your own personal life. Do some research, give it about an hour that’s all you need because it seems to me that your knowledge on modern day cinema is harshly limited. If Ledger was to copycat Nicholson on his portrayal of the Joker then the entire film would be a failure. Ledger took the character to a different dimension simply because it hadn’t been done before, by a human anyways. Someone before me once said, “The only constant is change.” This applies to our society, our values and unfortunately the reality in which we live. Break your own barriers kid because going on all these Freudian rants and acting all intellectual isn’t working for you. You sound very close minded and one-dimensional with your statements and to me and many others that comes off as ignorant and frankly quite obnoxious. Lastly, I am not here to bash or degrade anyone whatsoever, I am simply an observer of my surroundings. “I’m like a dog chasing cars..”
Ha, great commentary Jordan. Certainly you make some good points and are off base on others (but then again, you don’t know me or have a limited insight into who I am and what I do). This entry was a paper I wrote for my Personality of Psychology class. I was given strict criteria to follow (I sure didn’t choose it), and wrote the paper …hastily. I chose to analyze the Joker because I thought the character was one of, if not my absolute favorite villain I had ever seen. I chose to use Freudian theory as it seemed to make sense and was easy to do in the limited time that I had. The concepts I use are ones straight from my textbook. If I had been simple analyzing the joker as myself, I would have gone about it in a much different way with different insights and with much much less Freud (as I think he was revolutionary for his time yet ridiculous). But again, I appreciate the time you took to give me constructive criticism.
Hi,
The comment “As Batman’s motorcycle comes screaming towards him, the Joker actually walks towards him muttering things like “hit me!!” and “Do it! I want you to do it!”. Clearly self-preservation is one biological need the Joker lacks. But why? We may gain some insight by looking at the absence of his superego.”
To me the joker said that to force batman to break his one rule.
I am no expert on things of the mind by any means, i am purely basing my comments on the fact that i am a big joker fan (as you may have guess from the name
). But, Why? He has no self-preservation is in my opinion, that the fact yes he does have some unresloved issues that he has not *dealt* with in a healty way ( i’ll give Freud his credit there ^^), and also…the environment around you can shape you in how you think and treat yourself an others around. personally i have issues too and honestly i don’t care if i wake up tomorrow or not, that is based on childhood and how i have been treted by others, but on the other hand, i dont want to die, so my ’superego’ or whatever i forget which is which is not completely broken. Hope this helped my friend
p.s Also i have tried to learn how the Joker thinks, and responds to things around him as much as i can, all my life as far as i can remember. So thats where my opinions are coming from
Hi Mewds, I think you’re completely correct. If he could get the Superhero Batman to break his one rule, the he (the Joker) would be proven right in his hypothesis that everyone has a breaking point and that under the facade we are all animals- even Batman.
Based on what I interpreted in the movie, the Joker’s explanations of his scarring are not valid points for psychoanalysis. He’s clearly BS-ing his way through those conversations to elicit the most fear in his ‘victim’. He’s psychoanalyzing them. Ledger does an excellent job of it too, the way he looks up frequently while telling the story, classic facial language of someone who is lying, trying to remember something, or both.
I’ve always found Freudian explanations a little too simplistic myself.
I think your point was great plantwizard, he uses two variations on how he got his scars. Like someone said earlier…(i forget who, sorry.) He, (the Joker) is a pathalogical liar….and he has a lot more variations too.
(On a separate note) I never really…er…understood Freud’s theory’s that well to be honest, but the only way i think the joker is the way he is (in my opinion) That yes he does have some dorment issues with some traumatic event, i highly doubt he was *born with it* and well Alfred puts it perfectly…’some men want to watch the world burn’. Obviously to get some kind of gratification.
Oh yeah, the way that he tells a different tale each time also seems to me a ploy on the part of the writers to remove any “excuse” for his behavior. The viewer can’t say “oh poor little Jack, daddy didn’t love him so he turned evil, I sympathize with him.” By showing us the BS, we see that he truly is just psycho, and has no good reason for being the way he is, at least not a reason as cliche as abandonment.
The Joker was BS-ing and Freud is too simplistic. Again, I refer you to my previous comment- I wrote it for a class, needed to fill a certain amount of pages, and the biggest crime of all: I wrote it before the DVD came out, so I had to write it based on what I remembered from watching it in twice in the theaters. It was for college and I got a good grade. I published it here as just something interesting to read, I know it’s not quality work nor scholarly in any way, if that’s what you’re looking for, you got the wrong guy. haha. But I’m glad to see that thousands have already looked at this post.
Yeah I think your post is really very interesting. Although I don’t have a degree in phychology I do work in research psychiatry and psychology labs, so I am interested in the subject.
To me psychology is just an opinion, and i loved your view on the joker XD.
Take care
“Psychology is just an opinion” – how true that is.
Much of psychology is different ways that people interpret events and phenomenon. If someone becomes mentally ill, you’ll have one camp says they were born with genes that made it inevitable, you’ll have another camp say they are the product of an unhealthy environment, another camp will say they need psychotropic drugs, others say no…. who’s right an who’s wrong? Should ‘correctness’ be based on whichever theory yields the best results? or helps the greatest percentage of people? What about those who benefit more from other forms of treatment? Yeah, in my psychology courses a percentage of what I was taught I absorbed as history of psychology but utter garbage.
I always saw The Jokers multiple explanations of his scarring as simply the known behavior of serial killers, at their core they are deceivers, they will lie about anything. Though I suspect a kernel of truth somewhere back there.
Yes, TDK’s Joker portrayal was the best I’ve ever seen or read of him (The only comparable other is the recent tradeback release “The Joker”). It was as close to what I can imagine someone like him being. Diabolical, deceitful, clever, insightful in a twisted way, absolute in his convictions (always right the only exception being Batman who he could not break), able to clearly explain his philosophy. Evil to all except himself and those he surrounds himself with.
Another interesting characteristic is his explanation of being a dog chasing cars, or that he just does things. Yet his acts of chaos are meticulously planned, a seeming contradiction until you dig a little deeper. Yes, he just does things, but some things he has considered deeply, he then weighs this against his Base Chaophilosophy, and figures out a way to test his thesis. Picture this, he is alone, forcefully massaging his forehead, he is mumbling to himself wanted answers as his mind speeds through thoughts fueled by his Base Chaophilosophy, he is in a state of mild delusion, actually having hallucinations as he ponders his random scenarios and ways to answer the questions. Then BINGO, it hits, a question that needs to be answered, a theory that needs to be tested, and so begins the meticulous planning, the chasing of the car.
The way The Joker was portrayed, I can honestly see in my minds eye Heath Ledgers Joker over the fat guy (with the cellphone bomb in his gut) as the fat guy is being held by others, The Jokers hands bloodied, explaining to the “victim” (fat guy) as well as the rest of his twisted crew the philosophical reasoning behind his plan (just like he did with Two Face), with all that twitching and intensity, explaining why he’s putting a bomb in the dude, all while hes cutting the guy open slowly and inserting the explosive device. That’s how convincing a portrayal it was that it left enduring impressions in my mind that have extrapolated themselves.
Just a wonderful movie, one of the best I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching.
great comments TrueKingCarlos. Here’s something else ya’ll might find interesting- I copied the following off of WIkipeida’s “Heath Ledger” page:
“While still working on the film, in London, Ledger told Sarah Lyall, in their interview published in the New York Times on 4 November 2007, that he viewed The Dark Knight’s Joker as a “psychopathic, mass murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy.” To prepare for the role, Ledger told Empire, “I sat around in a hotel room in London for about a month, locked myself away, formed a little diary and experimented with voices — it was important to try to find a somewhat iconic voice and laugh. I ended up landing more in the realm of a psychopath — someone with very little to no conscience towards his acts”; after reiterating his view of the character as “just an absolute sociopath, a cold-blooded, mass-murdering clown,” he added that Nolan had given him “free rein” to create the role, which he found “fun, because there are no real boundaries to what The Joker would say or do. Nothing intimidates him, and everything is a big joke.” For his work in The Dark Knight, Ledger has received several posthumous award nominations and won some of these awards.”
first of all I’m sorry for my bad english. I just want to tell you,that some days ago,a guy with that kind of Joker’s make up,stroke into a kid hospital and stabbed to death 2 children and a nurse,and wounded many others.he didn’t try to escape,and during the interrogatory ,he acted like the Joker…this happened in France.
so,after the death of Ledger,that I regret very much, it seems that this personage is a real source of evil! who created him,just invented the evil at another level! and Heath Ledger made him live! anyway,we can see the actor’s personal touch there…for the first time,I felt that the actor just..became the personage!
RIP Ledger
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Wanna know my theory on why he’s always licking his lips?
Look at his scars! Not only did he have very large cuts that would take forever to heal, but they were on his face! A part of the body that’s always moving and stretching (eating, talking, smiling, laughing) and so that could slow down the healing period.. and I would bet the wounds hurt, oozed, bled, itched… which means one could develop quite a habit of licking those boo-boos. Sort of like MY lips… always chapped (dry, hurts), always putting on lipsmackers and chapsticks (tasty stuff), and so I’m always licking my lips. See? It’s just a habit. And it stuck with him. Hey, who knows? Maybe his make-up tastes good, too!
… ‘Not breastfed’… psh! Ha ha! That’s okay, he can suck on mine!
Hmm, good point. I remember when I chipped my tooth; I played with it til my tongue was sore! Good idea.
Sorry, just a comment from Italy…you know, we consider our mother language a lot..wasn’it supposed to be PEREGRINATIO ANIMAE? Is it a mistake or done on purpose?
Therefore, after Freud so many contributed to psychanalysy, that even if he’s considered to be the father, new theories developed better the first rough concept. What would Fromm or Jung think of the Joker? Update us!
i agree with most of this, but there are some things i disagree with.
he tells us in the movie that he doesnt plan anything out. he doesn’t try and figure out how he can ‘kill the most people’ or ’spread the most chaos,’ he makes it up as he goes along, acting on a whim.
twitching is normal for a human being; it’s something all humans do, especially when a room is too still or quiet. as for licking his lips, the makeup could have just been bothering him or his lips were chapped.
we hear him say that his mother was killed by his father, no doubt at a young age. his relationship with her may not have been a long one, or possibly even one he can’t remember.
he’s not actually a psycho. if you look at his actions a different way, you can almost conisder him a teacher. apathy, schizophrenia, and sociopath fit him better.
I have heard that he licks his lips constantly due to the scars/lacerations. Hes pretty much drooling and just trying to keep the saliva from running down his face.
Great. This has confirmed, to me, much of what I had already believed about Joker and has given me even more to think about.
But I thought he had tardive dyskinesia, if that is what it is called, perhaps as a side-effect of anti-psychotics or similar drugs? I always had him down as having bipolar tendencies (can’t say I’m an expert so I’m not going to go into detail about the type) but this is purely speculative.
Thanks for an interesting read.
One point on my mind: it’s not that the Joker lacks self-preservation.
As Batman drove towards him the Joker knew he was safe because Batman wouldn’t kill him. It was all part of his plan to be caught so that everyone’s attention was directed towards him and not towards Harvey Dent, allowing Harvey to be kidnapped.
So really, he wants to stay alive and formulates a plan that will keep him that way and achieve his other goals.
Also, he seems to know a lot about the minds of people and how to use every part of them to his advantage.
Here’s one for ya…
The Joker throughout the movie explains how he received his scars. They differ, but the joker doesn’t seem to be lying, he seems to actually believe his own lies. This could indicate that he has a shattered memory, and is making up his own memories as he goes along. But can’t there be two contributing factors for this? One would be that he could have a distant relative who was a murderer, and two he didn’t have a “true” traumatic childhood but one where it is agitated just enough to produce a “progressive” form of insanity . A provoked childhood, coupled with possible genetic psychotic tendencies could produce a mental state that is severely damaged.
Also note…
The Joker doesn’t consider himself crazy. Other people do, either because they do not understand him or because he isn’t going according to the “plan”.
Thats a really good point, if indeed he has schizophrenic tendancies, then yes he would believe whatever he says.
in the movie, when batman leavs the joker and an officer i the interrogation room toghether, the joker says “do you want to know why I use a knife?,guns are too quick, you cant savour all the… little emotions…” why would he enjoy killing people so much himself, when seeing other people killing other people gives him such a kick, and why would it make him feel better when he is killing someone to use a knife and hear them scream?
Well smishie, two reasons i can think of at the moment. (1) Watching people kill each other, and he himself killing them, are just different paths that lead to the same conclusion. He gets a thrill of both, because, seeing people kill each other is proving him to be right, (in his own mind) that all human’s are evil, pushed past a certain point. And (2) Killing people himself, would satisfy him also, because as the above i mentioned it leads to same result, and he gets a sick thrill from tormenting his victim, to *hear* them in their pain, is pleasure to him. Hope this helped, this is just my opinion on the matter though.
As long as people don’t start thinking there is a gene which makes people mass murder. if they do then at least that puts an end to vampires
“It is not the consciousness of men, therefore, that determines their existence, but instead their social existence determines their consciousness.”
-Karl Marx
While a psycho-analysis of a dynamic character like The Joker does provide deep insights, I think it is also necessary to probe the role of society and ideology.
My take on the Dark Knight
http://karthikrm.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/some-reflections-on-the-dark-knight/
I am no no Psycologist or anything, well i did some in college but not like many of the great minds we have today.
The Joker has always facinated me ever since i was a child, and im always looking for different ways to *get in his head* so-to-speak, to see how he ticks. The comments i have left here are just my thoughts on this character (my favourite comic character of all) that i have thought on for many years.
if any one has anything more to say on him i would be very appreciative, EVERYONE’S comments here are amazing, and have given me more to think of, thank you all.